Episode 233

Stop Fitting In, Start Standing Out

SUMMARY

Most of us spend our lives trying to blend in; at work, in friendships, even on stage. But the harder we chase acceptance, the more invisible we become.

In this episode, I share my own story of being pushed out of the very communities I once belonged to, and how that rejection became the catalyst for finding my voice. You’ll learn why “not fitting in” is often the beginning of true influence, how to turn outsider energy into credibility, and why your quirks might be your greatest professional asset.

🔥 What you’ll take away:

  • The psychology behind belonging and exclusion
  • Why hiding your truth erodes influence (and how to stop)
  • How to reframe rejection as the start of credibility
  • Practical steps to turn difference into magnetic presence

This isn’t about theory. It’s about lived experience, raw stories, and a roadmap for anyone who’s ever felt like they didn’t belong.

Do you want to hear the story that made me feel so vulnerable on stage? https://youtu.be/MRR9K9HvnRE

👉 Listen in and discover why not fitting in might just be your unfair advantage.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction: Embracing the Outsider Advantage

01:02 Personal Story: The Pain of Not Fitting In

02:52 Questioning Beliefs: A Turning Point

04:49 The Power of Authenticity

08:31 Navigating Relationships and Acceptance

12:49 The Importance of Vulnerability

20:18 Conclusion: Your Uniqueness as Leverage

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Transcript
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Most of us spend our lives trying to be in at work,

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in friendships, even on stage.

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But the harder we try, the more

invisible we can end up feeling.

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And I know that struggle firsthand from

comedy clubs through to corporate teams.

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I've often felt like the odd one

out, and I've seen the same pattern

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in clients I've worked with as well.

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The ones who don't really blend in,

and they're the ones who often have

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the most potential to stand out.

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In this episode, I'm gonna

show you how not fitting in can

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become your unfair advantage.

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You'll learn why standing apart creates

influence, how to reframe rejection

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into credibility, and while the

very thing that you might have been

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hiding could be your strongest tool

and asset on stage and in business.

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We're going to unpack real stories.

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Look at the psychology behind

belonging, and we'll finish off with

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practical steps to turn your outsider

energy into a magnetic presence.

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Welcome to Present Influence: The

Professional Speaking Show for

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speakers, coaches and experts who want

to deliver their message with more

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impact, influence, and inspiration.

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My name's John Ball and I'm your

guide on this journey to mastery

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level communication skills.

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I'm willing to bet you've had at least

one, probably more experiences in your

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life of feeling like you didn't belong

somewhere or hadn't really fitted in.

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And for me, many of those, many,

especially in tar, I can think

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probably all the way back, some of

my earliest memories were of times

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when I didn't really fit the mold

and fit in with the other kids.

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I've always felt a little bit different.

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And those sorts of feelings can

become particularly intense during

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our teenage years is undoubtedly

when the hormones are raging.

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And what we want more than

anything is for people to like

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us and for us to be popular.

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And if that's not really happening,

it can be very painful time and

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often is for many teenagers.

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But it can show up many times

in our adult life as well.

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Now, one example for me was

through the latter part of my teen

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years where I had this feeling

of not belonging very intensely.

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I belonged to a church, I belonged

to a church youth group, and I had

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the experience of what some people

might call being excommunicated

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or in the church that I was in,

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It was having my membership revoked,

and maybe not for the reasons that

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you might expect, and things like

my sexual preference had nothing to

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do with that decision whatsoever.

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It was actually called by me questioning

the literal truth of the Bible in a Bible

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study group when I was about, I think I

must have been about 15, 16 years old.

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one of the church elders was a lead in

the study, and he absolutely believed

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in the literal truth of the Bible.

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None of it was myth.

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It is all literally true that the

Garden of Eden, Noah's flood, all of it.

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And so because I didn't, and because I

questioned that, he pressured the church

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leadership to have me removed from the

church membership, I was no longer an

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official member, and so I was no longer

allowed to go to the church youth group.

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I was no longer allowed to really be

a part of the church as such, although

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they said I could still attend church

services mostly because they still wanted

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me to go and play the organ because they

didn't have enough church organists.

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Uh, so I think some slightly

selfish motives there.

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I'd always been told not to question

stuff and that questioning was bad.

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And if you're asking questions, you're

doubting your faith and that, but inside,

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I always held this belief that if you

couldn't question what you believed in,

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you didn't really, truly believe it.

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And if your beliefs couldn't withstand

some questioning and scrutiny, were they

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strong enough beliefs to really hold onto?

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And that thought never really escaped me.

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And I would say that whole time and

that particular incident set me on

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the path of moving away from religion

and, uh, more into philosophy.

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being a little different, asking

some questions, not just going along

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with what I was being told to go

along with, made me an outsider in an

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organization where I had been an insider.

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It pushed me out of the church youth

group where all my friends were.

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It didn't cause any

divisions in my family.

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I'm happy to say that, but it did

cause some internal conflict as to,

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you know, was this the right path?

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Am I moving away from my beliefs?

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How important are they to me there?

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There was a lot going on.

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All of that on top of, you know,

teenage hormones and all the

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other nonsense that goes on for

us when we're in our teen years.

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We have a lot to deal with as we are

figuring out how to grow up and who we

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want to be and all those kinds of things.

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It was a painful experience.

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as I look back now, hindsight being what

it is, and it probably even not that

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long after I was able to look back and

see this, that that exclusion did set

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me on a path that I wanted to be on.

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That I started moving more towards,

thinking came more for myself.

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I had a very strong desire to learn how

to think for myself after many years

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of being told what to think, and I have

no regrets about that whatsoever, but.

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I do feel that if I hadn't been that

little bit different, if I hadn't

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been apart from the crowd, I might

not have, I might have just carried

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on, believing, carried on, tending,

carried on, being told what to believe,

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what to think, and not questioning it.

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And so I can't really

see it as a bad thing.

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And eventually I did move away

from being even a church organist.

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Of just not wanting to go in there.

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So there was a big realization

that happened for me in that

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time of recognizing that I

wanted to be my own person.

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It was more important to me to

be who I am than to be who other

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people wanted or needed me to

be, to fit into that environment.

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And I think many of us face those

decisions on a regular basis.

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Do we show up in each situation as who

we really are or do we show up as who

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we think is acceptable or others want

us to be who we are supposed to be?

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I talked about professionalism in an

episode a while back and how that can,

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for some people, end up being a prison

for them, a costume that they put on a

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way of showing up that limits them in

many ways because they feel that they

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have to fit into this like archetype, this

idea or concept of what a professional

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person is supposed to be like.

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And that means they end up squashing

aspects of themselves or hiding

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thoughts away, biting their lips,

keeping their mouth shut when they

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really want to say something for the

sake of fitting in or not rocking the

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boat, and all those sorts of things.

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And certainly in my life, having been

having, being someone who has been in

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circumstances where my sexuality has

been an issue, being in circumstances

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where my lack of religious belief

has been an issue and caused some

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difference in conflict and othering.

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It can feel very awkward and, and

we do have to make those decisions.

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Do we feel safe?

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Do we feel safe to be honest

about what we really want to say?

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Do we have what we call the psychological

safety to be able to say that?

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Or do we have at least a big enough

value about staying true to our

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core self, that we're not prepared

to lie or not prepared to fake?

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We are going to say what really, what

we really want to say, what we really

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need to say, even if there might be

some negative consequences attached

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to that, we have to make these calls.

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All the time.

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And I would say probably one of

the times that I was most recently

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confronted with this was a storytelling

competition and me being, you know,

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the natural people pleaser in me, which

I'm always trying to work to suppress,

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wanted the story that would please

everybody be relatable for everybody.

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And I just had to accept that

that wasn't going to happen.

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Even if I tried to do that, that probably

still wouldn't be the end result.

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I was far better to go for an

authentic story that was true to me.

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Might not even feel relatable for

everybody, but for those who would,

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it would be really relatable and,

and could, could really, hopefully,

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really feel the same kinds of feelings.

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So I wanted to tell a story about

my coming out and about having

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faced people being against me

for who I am for my sexuality.

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Someone even who was against me for

my marriage and was trying to stop

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my parents attending my wedding.

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That whole story is online.

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If you want to see it.

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I'll put a link to it in the show

notes so you can check it out.

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But the whole process of creating

that story was, was confronting

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because if I put this out, this

is me putting out who I really am.

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And this is now even, even for, for

future professional opportunities,

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there are people who may well see that,

who won't want to work with somebody

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like me just because of my sexuality.

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There will be people who don't approve,

but there will also be people who either

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don't care, or who do, maybe approve

maybe, love and accept or, or maybe

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just are welcoming enough and diverse

enough in their thought and opinions

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to not be exclusive of people and not

to exile or push people out, but to

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say, no, we welcome the diversity.

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You know, we may not always understand it

and we may not always be able to relate

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to it personally, but we still welcome

it and we welcome you and we accept you.

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That's a very powerful thing

when we find it so very often.

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Being excluded from the environments

in which we are restricted and we can't

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fully be ourselves is a real gift.

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Because it pushes us, hopefully, at

least it pushes us to go and find the

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places where we are, where we will be

welcomed or will even be celebrated.

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And if you are not in those environments

where you are being welcomed and

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celebrated, where you have the

psychological safety to say what's really

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in your heart and to be who you truly

are, then you need to go and find those.

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Now undoubtedly there are people who

have trauma and mental health issues,

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and maybe even other psychological

challenges that might need a bit

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more than that, and that's okay.

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There's stuff to deal with separately, but

I'm talking a little more generally here.

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The times in life where we just feel

there's an aspect of us that doesn't

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really fit in, we think a bit differently.

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I would expect that neurodiverse

people particularly feel this.

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'cause often they'll think about things

a little differently and not relate

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to things in exactly the same way.

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And whilst that can be undoubtedly

challenging, there's always gifts

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that can come from these things.

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Gifts that can come from seeing

things in a different way.

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So not fitting in end ends up

ultimately being an advantage.

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Your crowd, the people who like you and

love you or can at least relate to your

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situation and to your experience are going

to do that and they're gonna support it.

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And those who don't won't, and

they're not your people and you, we

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ultimately just have to accept that

and we should have some discernment and

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discrimination about when and where,

where we use our superpower, if you like,

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our unfair advantage, I would say

for speakers, particularly if if you

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are trying to be an image, rather

than be a real person, you're always

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gonna be playing make believe.

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And as somebody who lived enough years

of my life in the closet, trying to

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pretend to be someone who I wasn't.

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So because I was so afraid of

people seeing who I really was,

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I can tell you that that is a

very uncomfortable place to be.

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Whatever your closet is, whatever

the mask is that you have over your

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face is gonna be uncomfortable.

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There's gonna be pain for that

and, and you are gonna pay.

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You are gonna pay probably with

pain, probably with sadness,

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probably with feeling unfulfilled

or unable to fully realize yourself

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for who you are to live your truth.

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These things are so important.

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We're often so afraid of being excluded

or exiled because we're different.

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I think the fear of exile is very deep

rooted within us because in humanity's

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past exile meant almost certain death

being cast out of a community or society.

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You would no longer have access

to your resources to, to food,

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to people, family status.

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Everything you had would be gone and

you'd be out in the wilds with the

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wild animals and the bandits and all

the uncertainty that goes with that.

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Some people might just make it through,

but many people probably wouldn't.

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And so the fear of being

exiled is a very real one.

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And even today, it does happen in certain

situations where people can still be

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exiled from, from their families, from

their communities, from the people they've

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been a part of, because they're different

because they choose to live their truth

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rather than to try and fit in or hide who

they truly are for the sake of the group.

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And in those circumstances, it can

lead to severe sadness, depression,

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and worse, let's be honest, it

can lead to far worse things.

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So I guess I am encouraging you with

this video to be true to yourself, to

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live your truth and speak and live from

your heart and to not hide the things

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that make you different to other people.

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Certainly, okay.

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Sometimes there are things in people's

lives that make them too different to

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ever be acceptable, and you probably

know what those things are, and if

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that's something you're dealing with.

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This is not what I'm talking about here.

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I'm talking about.

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Quirky personalities, maybe some

eccentrics, maybe being a very

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musical or arty person and a

family of scientists makes you very

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different and hard to relate to.

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There are so many times maybe, maybe

not being of the same religion as other

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people or, or maybe even being a religious

person in a non-religious environment.

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There are ways that you could end up

feeling othered or judged negatively

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because of things that you hold true,

but staying true to who you are,

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Is going to be much better for you

because the friends you have, the people

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who love and care for you will genuinely

love and care for you for who you are

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and the people that don't, even though

that can be painful to be turned away by

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people who you want to love and care for

you, they ultimately, we can find our

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family, we can find our tribe, we can

find the people who we will fit with.

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We can find our audience, we

can connect with them as well.

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So.

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This is about vulnerability as

much as anything else as well.

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This is about the ability

to be vulnerable on stage.

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We don't have to show

all aspects of our lives.

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We don't have to hang out all of

our dirty, dirty laundry or tell

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people all our worst thoughts,

fears, insights, actions, whatever.

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But we do have to be true to our own

inner self, to our own values, if

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we're gonna be relatable in any way,

otherwise we end up just being an act.

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It's just a show.

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And if you just wanna be a, a show

person, and I, I say I've seen this in

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the personal development world, people

who are just showmen or show women,

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that don't have the depth.

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It's all superficial.

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They don't really have anything deeper

to go into, and they're different

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people when you take them off the stage

to who they are when they're on it.

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It's all a show.

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It's all fakery, smoke and mirrors.

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And if that's how you wanna live

your life and you can deal with that.

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Then fine.

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Maybe you can take solace in that

you're making money and you know,

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people are being impressed by what you

do, but at some point it will start

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to break down at some point the toll

of trying to be someone you are not

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is going to become too much for you,

is going to get in, in the way of a

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relationship, is gonna get in the way

of relatability on more personal levels.

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It will interfere.

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Years ago I read that book

As A Man Thinketh and here's

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what I took away from that.

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I dunno how, how well it really holds up.

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But you know, there are some things

I still think of from that, and

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one of them is this, you know, you

know in your heart who you are.

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So if you do things that aren't true to

you, you know that even if no one else

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does, even if no one else has cottoned

on to the reality of what's going on

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inside you, inside your brain, you know.

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If you were sneaking funds out of a

company bank account and embezzling,

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and no one ever found out about

it, you would still know, and you

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still know that that's who you are.

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And on some level, you're

gonna have to live with that.

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Or maybe, or maybe you are unbothered

about it, in which case, you know, if

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you, you have no conscience whatsoever,

this video isn't for you anyway.

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This really is for people who, who do

have conscience, who do know that not

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being true to themselves can be a problem.

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If you hurt somebody and you never

make it right, that's gonna stay

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with you as well, even if other

people never find out about it.

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If you, if you pretend to be a success

and people think you are, but you're

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not really, you're just faking it,

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buying followers, buying engagement

online, you might end up having a

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top rated YouTube channel or podcast,

but you've bought all your followers.

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Other people may not know that.

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Some might, and some might even

talk about it, but most people

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are never gonna know about that.

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But you will.

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You'll know it's a fake,

you'll know it's not true.

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The success isn't real, and you are

the one who has to live with that.

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So this is the question to you, are

you willing to live with those things

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where you're gonna be true to yourself?

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And I hope.

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It's the latter that

you choose to be true.

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Even though it can be painful

sometimes, even though it can

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cause some friction, some conflict,

even in particular situations.

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It's important to be who you are to go

through the challenges and the conflicts.

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You know, it took me, it took me years

and years to navigate and get through

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to a, having a good relationship.

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A close relationship with my parents

again, after coming out, it was

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very hard because of their religious

belief for them to deal with.

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But we got there, but it wasn't easy, and

if I'd never chosen to be open about who I

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was, they would've just thought I was this

guy who just seems to have a lot of male

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flatmates or some, something like that.

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They might have tried, and still

tried to convince themselves that

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I was gonna meet the right girls

someday and settle down and give them

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grandchildren and all the stuff that

they thought they wanted from me.

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At some point, they were able to

accept that that wasn't gonna happen,

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and we ended up in a situation where

I had to put things on the line and

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say to them, either you accept me

as I am and treat me the right way.

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Respect me for for that as well, or.

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We're gonna have a very limited

relationship, very limited contact in the

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future because that's how it has to be.

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I have to be who I am, and if you

can't accept that I can't deal with

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me being in a relationship with

somebody, then we are gonna have a

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lot of challenges in the future, and

it's gonna damage our relationship.

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They made the choice.

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I didn't know which they would choose.

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They made the choice to choose me.

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When somebody tried to stop

them coming to my wedding, they

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made the choice to choose me.

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That whole story is in, is gonna be

in the link for you as well to check

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that out, and, uh, I hope you will.

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It won me an award.

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It's about they're behind me on the

shelf, but realistically, you know,

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fitting, fitting in feels safe.

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It does it's, it's feels safe

and that's why we often don't

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want to come away from that.

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But it really silences the best

of you, your best ideas, your

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creativity, the essence of you.

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I would really call that.

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It, uh, shuts down the essence of who you

are because you're trying to be somebody

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else and you are not gonna be that person.

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Now, you can definitely work to be better

version of yourself, but it still needs to

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be true and feel true to you so a better

version of yourself isn't pretending that

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you are not something that you are, or

not someone who you know you really are.

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And so, so it's vitally important that

your differences, whatever they may be,

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maybe you like tattoos and you're

cutting tattoos and there are

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people in your life who hate that.

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Maybe you smoke and you have loads of

non-smoking friends and they hate, well,

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you could probably do something about

that, or maybe you should, but maybe there

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are people who don't accept you for it.

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Maybe that you are outside of a group

for for that, or maybe you've stopped

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smoking and the people who you used

to hang around with don't want you

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hanging around with them anymore.

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Because you're not in the ingroup.

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It could be something as seemingly

small as that, that makes you feel

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excluded and pushed out, but you are

being true to yourself and true to

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who you are or who you want to be.

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These things are particularly important

when it comes to being on stage.

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When it comes to things like storytelling,

comedy, leadership, speaking, the

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these things are really essential in

the stories that we're gonna end up

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telling, because if there's stories

about someone who doesn't really exist,

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that's gonna be very hard to relate into.

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If the story's about a version of you

that isn't real, that is faked, then

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who's gonna really relate to that?

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People might think they do, some

people might buy in for it for a while.

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But what happens then if

the cracks start to show?

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I should say, if I should say, when,

when the cracks start to show in the

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story and you find it hard to keep that

up or, or something gets out about who

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you really are and it's different, very

different to who people think you are.

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When we put anybody on a pedestal,

when we put anyone into this idealized

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idea of who we think they are.

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We are not in a real relationship

with them, and that's just as true

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for us as it is of anyone else.

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If we have idealized someone, if we

think someone is the best, a guru,

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the infallible, they're only ever

going to disappoint us because nobody

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is, and nobody can live up to that.

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And.

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Ourselves included.

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We're trying.

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If we're trying to live up to

impossible standards, we are

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always gonna disappoint ourselves.

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The goal should be to accept

yourself and others for how they are.

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You don't always have to like them.

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You don't always have to love and hang

around with them, but accept them.

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Accept people for who they are and not

need them to conform with who you think

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they should be or who you want them to be.

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There are societies in the world where

conformity is treated as a very desirable

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quality, is sought out, is looked for

as even advertised on dating profiles.

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I'm a conformist.

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Is that, is that who you wanna be?

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You wanna live in a conformist

society where everyone's the

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same, where there's no real color.

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It's all just different shades of gray.

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Yeah.

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Diversity really is a superpower.

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Being different, not

fitting in is valuable.

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It helps you to stand out, to be

different, to be noticed, and to see

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things differently to other people.

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And so.

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Your uniqueness isn't a liability can be

your leverage if you choose for it to be.

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And the sooner you stop sanding down

the edges, smoothing things over for

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public consumption, the sooner people

will be able to lean in and relate.

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So here's your challenge this week.

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Notice one place where perhaps you've

been holding back to fit in and flip it.

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Flip it.

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Share the different perspective where

the thing that feels too bold, tell the

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story that you thought was too much,

and then tell me how it went in the

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comments or connect with me on LinkedIn.

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And don't forget to subscribe

because every week we're unlocking

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more tools to turn your quirks,

flaws, and charisma into influence.

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See you next time.

About the Podcast

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About your host

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John Ball

John Ball is a keynote coach and professional speaker on a mission to help upcoming leaders master their communication, create impact and stand out as experts in their field.
John left the high life of his flying career to do something more meaningful to him and has since worked with several leading personal and professional development organisations as a lead coach and trainer.
The heart of everything John does involves helping people shift to personal responsibility and conscious awareness of how they show up and perform in every situation, whilst equipping them with the tools to be exceptional.
John also co-hosts The Coaching Clinic Podcast with his great friend and colleague Angie Besignano.
He lives in the beautiful city of Valencia, Spain with his husband and often visits the UK and US for speaking and training engagements. When he's not speaking or podcasting, he's likely to be out swimming, kayaking or enjoying time with friends.